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    If you absolutely must use windows

    Download the Pro ISO from windows.

    Use MicroWin to create an iso without tpm requirements and with offline installation

    Use MAS and use only the Enterprise edition. You might need to upgrade to Professional first.

    Then use WindowsDebloater to tailor it to your liking.

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      Unfortunately that requires a full reinstall, I wish there was a way to upgrade from 10 pro to 10 enterprise.

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      My wife’s HP Spectre something laptop became twice as fast when I reinstalled it and removed all the cruft.

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      So honestly, which percentage of your game collection runs on Linux? Because I’ve looked into doing this just a few months ago, and unless the industry had some kind of mass exodus, less than 10% of my games run on Linux, and that’s a generous estimate.

      Not defending Windows or anything, this is just my experience.

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        At this point it’s pretty much only the competitive games with kernel level anti-cheat that don’t work on Linux because of their kernel level anti-cheat.

        But then again, if 90% of the games you play are competitive games that require kernel level anti-cheat, you should probably consider expanding your gaming experience lol

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        idk where you looked, protondb.com is a good database for this stuff, from your later reply insurgency sandstorm and hund showdown are both “gold” rated, they should be okay
        but the thing is … you could just try for yourself, for free

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          I had just looked at the publisher’s system requirements on Steam, since my experience with Wine from over a decade ago was a dead end. I’ve learned a lot from this thread, though, and it seems things have improved dramatically.

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            it seems things have improved dramatically.

            Like maxo said, things are definitely waaaaaaaay better than 10 years ago.
            I’d say roughly 80% of my windows only games run as good as on windows, and probably 25-30% of my full library (not just what runs in proton) runs better in Linux with proton/wine than they do in win11.
            Mostly what doesn’t work is stuff with kernel level anticheat.

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            It did. I recently downloaded steam on Ubuntu and you don’t need to install any 3rd party stuff yourself. It’s available as compatibility toggle in steam. Sometimes you need to configure different version of Proton for games to work and they are slower to start. But they run fast and I didn’t experienced much bugs. It’s amazing, now after end of win10 I can ditch windows completely, as this and photoshop was the only reason I still have win10 installed.

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        I know you’re getting a ton of replies already, but I switched to Arch Linux two months back or so and I just want to say nearly every game I’ve tried works great out of the box, a handful of games required me to go to my steam settings a flip a switch or copy and paste something from protondb, and no games have failed to work.

        Gaming on Linux is so good that you end up flipping one switch in steam and get nearly perfect performance (with most games running identically or better than they did on Windows for me). It’s been such a surprise, I just played the Arc Raiders technical Alpha and I thought for sure Linux would fail me then. And it did. For the first day, then on the second day they patched proton and the game and I played all week and weekend with zero issues. It was fantastic!

        I would highly encourage any gamer who’s thinking about switching to Linux but worried their games won’t work to not worry as much. Check protondb for your favorites, but you can safely assume most game work out of the box.

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          Thanks, I appreciate your insights! I wonder how many people like me are simply looking at publisher notes and under the impression Linux isn’t sorted. I’m genuinely impressed by the overwhelming feedback that it’s simply good, and I’m excited to try it.

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            Ya, happy to spread the word! I was hesitant for a long while for the same reason but then Steam Deck happened and I looked into it more and BAM here we are. It’s one of the more hopeful changes in this tech landscape - the growth of open source and/or free software that’s often equivalent to the paid software.

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        Honestly I have a ridiculous pile o’ games like a lot of us do, and I’ve yet to find something (that’s not VR) that I cannot play .

        For reference I’m running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with a 30 series Nvidia card. Wayland, two monitors, main is 144hz ultrawide 3440 x 1440, another is 1080p 60hz.

        First off there’s a few programs out there to get you “Glorious Eggroll” versions of Proton which add even more stuff Valve can’t distribute in their versions.

        This beautiful software right here looks about right: https://davidotek.github.io/protonup-qt/

        Steam works fantastically. Heck, Proton works better than native Linux builds sometimes! Deck playability is an even bigger mark of quality.

        Even EA’s silly launcher works. I got Titanfall 2 and that Sims 2 Ultimate they gave away ages ago working like butter.

        I also love actually owning my games, so I use Heroic Launcher for GoG titles.

        Oh! I even have CD games or old .EXEs windows would refuse to even install anymore! Don’t worry, Linux has got this. I use Bottles to have separate environments for those games to install to and run. Majority of the time it works great but this is where things can get iffy. But hey, Windows wouldn’t run them at all!

        Wanna know what made me switch? Vermintide 2 kept giving me BSODs in Windows 10 with some super vague error code that made me think “Oh crap, please don’t tell me my GPU is dying.”

        Nope! Linux ran it with zero probs once I fixed some small quirk to make their dumb little launcher work.

        Cherry on top? All my RGB stuff works with Open RGB or my recently retired Corsair keyboard works with “CKB Next”.

        The community has made incredible strides. My Win10 partition only exists because it has Windows Mixed Reality, which they’re abandoning. But not to fear, the Monado project is making HUGE improvements.

        Give it a shot. I think you’ll be surprised. :)

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          How are you getting on with VR? I have a Reverb G2 and if I can play Elite and DCS on Linux I’m basically sold at this point.

          I really want a new headset but nothing beats the G2 right now, without giving money to Meta which I refuse to do.

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            Heya! Sorry for taking a minute to get back to you. :)

            1000000% with you on not giving a cent to meta or throwing out perfectly good hardware with plenty of life left!!! For real!

            So, last time I tried, VR is a little bumpy right now. I have a Samsung Odyssey+ set that’s simply fantastic…if Microsoft weren’t deliberately turning it into a paperweight.

            Wonderful strides are being made by the FOSS community however!

            It’s bumpy because a lot of VR kits’ only hope right now is a project called “Monado”

            https://monado.freedesktop.org/

            (Right now it looks like your Reverb G2 is supported!)

            I main OpenSUSE Tumbleweed these days, and I used this awesome bit of software called “Envision” that attempts to automate the “retrieve all the correct dependencies and build the thing” stuff.

            For being so early, I was very impressed, especially since I’m no pro at compiling software and navigating Git branches and stuff. This is relatively turnkey. (In a tinkery Linux way, anyway lol)

            https://lvra.gitlab.io/docs/fossvr/envision/

            (The wiki here is pretty nice!)

            I was able to get the headset to function this way, as in, fire up a game and see through it and look around, and you can enable hand tracking, which is really neat! But I struggled to actually select or interact with anything using it.

            The real tough nut to crack is the controllers, but they have made some strides there too! There’s a branch that enables controller support, but it’s VERY janky right now, like, unusuable, but it’s cool that it’s going somewhere!

            The other challenge is smoothness. Expect a little jitter here and there, it’s not so buttery smooth like it was running WMR because they did a LOT of fancy proprietary compensation and prediction code sorta stuff to make that experience work. (And to the surprise of absolutely no one, they refuse to let us folks have it.)

            For Elite or DCS, since you’d just be using mouse and keyboard or a standard controller or something anyway, the headset part MIGHT be enough for you! I’d definitely encourage you to give it a shot and have a little patience with it to see if it can be acceptable for you where it’s at right now.

            You can also get a lot of information and help in the “Linux VR Adventures” Discord. (Ugh, I know.) Link here if you’re interested. :)

            Unless you’re savvy building a bunch of stuff yourself, I’d say check out Envision first, and use that to build Monado for your Reverb and see how that works out for you.

            I hope this was helpful! :D

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              Thank you that’s very helpful! I’m pretty handy with software so not troubled by that, but I am lazy outside of work so I’ll likely follow your envision advice! But still sounds like a fair bit to do so I suspect I’ll kick it down the road till WMR finally goes.

              Thanks again!

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        Multiplayer games and ones that require Uplay or Origin (can’t remember their new names) have issues, but most single player stuff will run fine. You’ll typically have to run them via Wine or Proton, but Steam will handle that for you.

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          I’ve never tried Proton, but I’ve gone down a rabbit hole of trying to use Wine for running games a few years back. I’ll look into Proton, thanks for the suggestion.

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            Yeah Proton is definitely the way to go over using Wine directly. Valve has put a ton of work into making it seamless. I have a large steam library and have found literally only one game (Destiny 2) that doesn’t work. And that’s just because Bungie has gone out of their way to make sure it won’t run on Linux for “anti cheating” reasons.

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            If you bought the game through Steam, using Proton is often as simple as installing it and hitting play. If you’re curious about specific games, search them on ProtonDB

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        I’m on Garuda, every game I have tried has worked great, sometimes I just have to choose a different proton version with an easy pull down menu. The only game I have given up is Destiny 2, because they say they will ban anyone on Linux because of their anti cheat.

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            Unless your game has an anticheat, forbids linux to be played with the anticheat due to cheaters on linux and still end up with an online experience where the cheaters blatantly wallhack and never get caught unless they kill a famous streamer in the game.

            Who even wants to play apex legends or cod these days? Riddled with cheaters

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              “Who even wants to play the most popular games with the most amount of players these days?”

              Everyone, which is my point. Those games are the most popular, most played games on every platform they’re on - and they’re not on Linux (though I believe apex is now at least).

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          Among my favorites with anti cheat are Insurgency: Sandstorm and Hunt: Showdown. I will reluctantly play Fortnite if friends insist!

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        Most games that don’t have kernel level anti-cheat tend to work.

        Have you tried to play the games or did you look them up on a site? I’ve found that unless you are looking at a popular new game, a lot of the games listed are saying that they don’t play, but we’re last checked in 2023, and they do work now but no body has updated the new results.

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          I looked up my favorites, based on my experience in the past with unsupported games. Long ago, I tried using Wine, way back before Steam even had a native Linux client. I managed to get Steam to run through Wine but never succeeded in getting any game to run beyond a loading screen. That was ages ago, though.

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            Things have changed since then. Steam not only has a Linux client, but also has Proton which loads most Windows apps (it’s marketed for games, but in reality it will work on Windows apps).

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        I just made the switch this weekend. I have not had a single incompatibility yet. I have seen an oddity here and there in Helldivers 2, but nothing crazy.

        Oddity 1: In normal windows play async issues sometimes happen where a player steps on a mine in the other person’s client but not their own. They continue to play because their client doesn’t mark them dead. To the other person, they appear as a person missing some number of body parts (sometimes just a floating torso). We call this torso mode.

        Since switching to linux I have not seen my friend go torso mode a single time. He still sees me go torso mode.

        Oddity 2: The artillery rounds are color coded for what each of them does. Since switching to linux they only appear silver for whatever reason. It’s a nonissue, I just read them when I walk next to them. If anyone asks my character is colorblind.

        One additional note:

        If you install steam with a flatpak, you’re going to have to tangle with the permissions related to a flatpak. Once you add directory permissions for an additional directory via flatseal (for example, if you want a library on each of your harddrives), you won’t have to touch it again and it’s great.

        Maybe these issues are significant to you, maybe they aren’t. Ultimately, god I love my system starting up in just a few seconds. And having true control over it.

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        Sorry but how did you only have 10% running on linux a few months back? I run every game except apex legends, warzone and fornite… This is ridiculous misinformation of you

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          Complaining how it is misinformation and listing multiple examples of how it is not is a new one to me.

          They only need a games list of 30 games and the games you mentioned to have 10% not working on Linux statistic.

          Not everyone has 600+ games.

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            Learn to read next time, maybe u will understand something in life, jezus, literally said i run all games except these ones, like what is that logic u use?

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          I’ve based my information on what Steam says: https://store.steampowered.com/linux

          I honestly don’t know what to say about the misinformation accusation. Blame the publishers, I guess?

          I’ve since learned from this thread that it doesn’t accurately reflect how well games run using Proton.

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            Honestly proton running the windows version under linux is typically better polished, better performing, and more compatible than the “official” native linux version that most publishers put out, except in very rare circumstances where the developer actually understands and uses Linux and makes it a primary development focus. It’s counterintuitive, but proton actually is that good (also most official linux releases are pretty lazy, like “console ports” if not worse).

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            Not gonna blame steam or publishers, rather gonna blame the guy that talks out of his ass without googling it for 5sec

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              Why are you being so hostile? How have I been talking out of my ass? I feel I’ve provided a wealth of context here about my experiences over the years and how I came to this conclusion.

              In fact, I think my experience is representative of many people’s perception of Linux support for games.

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                  Many years ago, back on my dual boot Toshiba laptop running Ubuntu 10 LTS, I became frustrated with how Windows was running and spent a good amount of time trying to get Steam and several games running on the Linux partition. I eventually managed to get Steam to run using Wine, and even got some games to launch, but they were unplayable. Although I can’t be sure exactly which games I tried, I enjoyed Counterstrike, Unreal Tournament and Left 4 Dead at the time and suspect it must have included those.

                  Having been unsuccessful at getting anything to work (including some unrelated desktop software for work)—and I spent a considerable amount of time trying—I was left with the impression that this was a hopeless endeavor.

                  Fast forward to a few months ago: I heard about the Steam Deck and read that it was running a version of Linux. Out of curiosity, I wanted to see which games in my library are compatible. Steam helpfully shows a compatibility symbol on the product page, but unfortunately doesn’t provide an overview from your own library. So I ended up having to do spot checks, and among my favorites it was less than 1 in 10 that were listed as Steam Deck / Linux compatible.

                  Now I’m sure there are all sorts of great results for searching the web for games that run on Linux. However, like many people, there are specific games from my library that I prefer to play.

                  Based on my past experiences with tinkering with Linux to get incompatible games to run, combined with publisher’s own information provided regarding system compatibility, I have been left with the perception that not many games run on Linux. This was the motivation for my original comment that sparked this conversation.

                  None of what I’ve told you here is a “massive lie” and I’m genuinely confused about why you’re so upset. Instead of having a civil discussion and teaching me about Proton, like many others in this thread have, you’ve attacked me and made wild accusations. Perhaps you might reflect on our interaction and reconsider how you choose to speak with other people.

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            that shit isn’t mainstream compatible

            That “shit” is steadily getting better, while windows steadily decays. That “shit” won’t remain niche forever.

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          I couldn’t find a way to get a breakdown of this, but browsing Stream’s Linux compatible list showed just a handful of games I own (Portal 2, Dying Light, Terraria), and spot checking my ±20 favorites resulted in just one compatible title (Cities: Skylines). So I ballparked it at <10%.

          I’ve since learned from this thread that this information doesn’t accurately reflect Linux support, though.

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            The list you linked is for games with native ports to Linux, not the ones you can run through proton. But dozens of others already pointed you to it, check it out sometime.

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              Yes, I’m aware of that now, I was just providing background regarding how I came to the 10% in my original comment.

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      Again… So much proprietary software is the industry standard, particularly Adobe, and much of it is Linux-compatible, making it not so easy to make the switch as a freelancer

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        You’re right but not correct due to that’s not all the time. With my partners/clients I was able to use affinity and/or Davinci Resolve. Also Avid has Linux VM support which is nice. Also you can import a lot of modern adobe formats these days and also universal formats between the two. If you say “that’s a lot of work”, know your software more= write scripts and/or actions. It’s all automated now, just have to set it up once.

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        Why would a freelancer need to follow an industry standard? Do you have to share project sources with clients in proprietary formats rather than just the final output formats?

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          It’s more about ingesting their house design guide in proprietary formats. But you will also be contractually obliged to deliver back working files along with the final deliverables, and they will specify formats and versions.

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            Ah, I see. I guess that varies by client but you wouldn’t want to limit the work you take like that. That’s a difficult situation to change.

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              It doesn’t vary by client much, there’s a baseline of expectations that what you deliver can be further worked on by anyone using the software that 95% of the industry is using.

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          The entire reason why standards exist, that’s why. Generally when you make something for a client they want to be able to hand it to anyone else in the industry to be able to also work on it.

          A freelancer who doesn’t use industry standard stuff generally isn’t going to be freelancing for very long.

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            I see. Surely that means that the source files have to be structured in a certain way then. If a design for a piece of print media was flattened to a single rasterised layer, or a video project had all the effects baked into the clips, a freelancer could deliver in the right format, but that file would be much less useful than if every operation was preserved non-destructively. I would think some artists wouldn’t want to just give away how they achieve certain effects.

            I don’t know if that’s much of a thing in creative fields, or if there are conventions on things like keeping text as text, not editing it as vectors or pixels.

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        There are more hoops involved—stuff Windows 10 with your Adobe software in a VM with no Internet connection and you should be okay even after Win10 stops getting security updates—but it isn’t quite impossible for you to migrate everything else and have one or two specific Windows programs too. Granted, you may not have the time and energy to go that route.

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    I just want to continue using my HP Reverb G2, which will be bricked for absolutely no reason due to the deprecation of the Windows Mixed Reality Portal with the end of Windows 10. :-(

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      There are ways to disable Windows updates. This is what I have done to allow me to keep using my reverb G2. Of course I don’t use my windows PC as my daily so I keep it air gapped for security

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    What’s MS’s plan after this? Everyone I know that uses Windows/M365 hate it more with every passing day and is looking to leave.

    I really don’t want to be in tech support in 2029 when they kill off old outlook. There will be blood on that day.

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      Sounds like you live in an echo chamber. Windows is still by far the most popular computer operating system, and it’s not even close. There’s no sign of people moving away from Windows en-masse. Windows 11 adoption has been massive.

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        I work at a national IT support company talking to hundreds of windows users every week, and the general sentiment is that Windows 11 is unnecessary, new outlook is literally the Antichrist and people are sick of being charged more and more every year for crap they don’t want or need.

        Just l8ke I still see 2012R2 servers in the wild, Windows 10 isn’t going away anytime soon.

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        If Win11 adoption is really massive, it’s because MS forced it down people’s throats.

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          Compared to Linux adoptions (and I mean every distro combined), the adoption of Windows 11 is ginormous.

          The reason it was “forced down throats” is because the average user doesn’t give a shit and would still be on Windows 2000 if it came with their computer.

          Yet they would still blame Microsoft if anything went wrong.

          For comparison, if people adopted Linux the same way, you’d have people still on Corel Linux.

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            I was thinking more in terms of MS locking out everything prior to Coffee Lake or Zen+ from running Win11, rendering a lot of otherwise still viable hardware obsolete, killing off Win10 GAC, and essentially forcing the purchase of a new PC with Win11 installed.

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          Irrelevant. Windows 11 is well over 50% of respondents on the steam survey, has been since late last year iirc. Windows 11 is the best Windows OS, and arguably PC OS, there has ever been. People are not getting fed up with it or moving away to Linux. Factually they just aren’t.

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            So, forced Bitlocker, forced obsolescence of otherwise still viable hardware, forced online accounts, and having Copilot/Recall shoved down your throat for the versions of that OS that a normal consumer can legally and readily obtain, make Win11 the best PC OS?

            I mean, sure, you can get LTSC and Win11 even has an LTSC version, but unless you’re a large corporation, there’s no legal way for you to get it, the only legal versions a normal consumer can get are Home or Pro as those are readily available on the retail circuit, and if you bought an OEM prebuilt from any big box store, one can just download the normal Win11 ISO from MS and it should auto-activate to whatever version that system came preinstalled with, which is typically Home, and those are the versions that treat their users like hot trash, Home especially.

            Windows 11 is the best Windows OS, and arguably PC OS, there has ever been.

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              So, forced Bitlocker, forced obsolescence of otherwise still viable hardware, forced online accounts, and having Copilot/Recall shoved down your throat for the versions of that OS that a normal consumer can legally and readily obtain, make Win11 the best PC OS?

              Forced security, oh no…Forced obsolescence? No hardware is being made obsolete, it will keep working just fine. Forced online accounts that are only needed once for login a single time? Oh no, the horror. Not to mention that the “forced online account” saves your bitlocker encryption key on it, so you can recover your data if your hardware gets destroyed. Copilot and Recall aren’t the same thing. They are OS features that you can turn off if you want. Some people actually like them too!

              Those aren’t the things that make Win11 the best PC OS, they’re just things that you don’t like that you think make it bad - but you’re overlooking everything that make it good.

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                More like MS enabling Bitlocker and causing data loss without the user knowing about it, something that’s been pissing a lot of people off lately, and forced obsolescence refers to Win11 blocking everything prior to Zen+ and Coffee Lake, compounded with Win10 going EOL soon, which has at least the intended effect of making people buy a new PC even if their old PC is still good otherwise, and not all people are comfortable with having to sign up for an online account just to install their OS and would rather make a local account if possible; MS recently axed the workaround which enabled that for the consumer versions of Windows.

                Also, I didn’t know local backups of your data ala simply copying it to an external drive at the minimum, weren’t an option that existed anymore. sarcasm

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                  If you’ve signed in to a MS account you have your bitlocker encryption key and won’t lose any data.

                  and forced obsolescence refers to Win11 blocking everything prior to Zen+ and Coffee Lake

                  Because Win11 uses features that that hardware doesn’t have. Win10 is still there and still works. You can’t stop progress forever.

                  and not all people are comfortable with having to sign up for an online account just to install their OS and would rather make a local account if possible;

                  Sure, but most are fine with it especially with the benefits it brings. For older people it’s an absolute godsend, as all their files are automatically backed up to onedrive and accessible on any computer.

                  Also, I didn’t know local backups of your data ala simply copying it to an external drive at the minimum, weren’t an option that existed anymore. sarcasm

                  What are you talking about?

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        Sounds like you live in a contrarian chamber. People really do hate the “new Outlook” (basically it’s just Hotmail) and Windows 11 adoption has been slower than for most other versions of Windows. The requirements often mean needing to buy a new computer which a lot of people can’t afford, especially if prices go up because of tariff nonsense.

        There will be a lot of people still running on out of support Windows 10 systems at the end of the year.

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          New outlook is a steaming pile. Classic Outlook has some very handy features and unless Evolution pulls its finger out, I will continue to use classic Outlook. Hell, I used Outlook 2010 until last year.

          It met my needs.

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          Running out of support windows is nothing new. The point was that people would rather do that than switch to Linux. People aren’t leaving to Linux instead any great numbers.

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      No one (meaning less than 1% of people) will leave windows (sadly).

      People are lazy as shit and rather swipe their credit cards and buy something new with windows than to even give Linux a chance.

      99% of people really don’t give a shit about privacy or freedom when it comes to computers. Microsoft could slap handcuffs on them and point a camera at their screen (yes MS is already spying with telemetry, but try expaining that to a regular person) and they’d still use windows.

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      I switched to outlook in browser only because their native windows software is so terrible. Wish I could leave that shit OS entirely.

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    I ran Microsoft Activation Scripts (MAS) on my PC, making it W10 IoT Enterprise and then ran Sophia script from GitHub to debloat my Windows. It’s pretty sweet, works for me so far.

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    Im not upgrading my OS, and im not building or buying a new computer.

    Im just going to ride it out until it explodes. the tech market is so messed up right now that I’ll end up paying more than what I did for my Machine in 2019, and it will be comparatvely, nowhere near as much as a performance jump as when I made the last switch from my 2012 build.

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    I love Linux, but my older system has an older Nvidia graphics card in it and I lost 15-20 FPS when I switch to Linux.

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    i have an older desktop with 10, it doesn’t have tpm, but there is a slot, i could get one and upgrade but also i mostly use linux on it
    but i still feel like i’m going to lose something and it stresses me out a bit