I feel like everyone suggests following hashtags, but depending on the hashtag, I find the content that’s being posted quite overwhelming when it comes to the amount of toots, and that it’s hard to get an overview. Anyone that relates?
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I think the main idea is to look at some hashtags to find people to follow, then eventually wean off those hashtags if you want.
Another key detail is that you can’t read it all. Not hashtags, not people. You’ll go nuts if you try. It’s about following people who are interesting, opening the app every once in a while to check in, then going on with your day.
I don’t follow tags, only browse them from time to time and follow people. Also filters and mutes really help.
I felt the same way every time I tried to use Twitter as I feel every time I try to use Mastodon. It’s either way too much or way too little. I prefer everything about the reddit/lemmy/threadiverse style.
How would we even be having this conversation on microblogging? A bunch of reposts, with or without comments, disconnected from each other… So much nicer to have a “subject” line and a page where every relevant comment is presented.
I guess I don’t understand the mastodon/twitter style feed, I’ve always found that I couldn’t seem to get a feed interesting enough to come back to.
This is one reason (among many, sadly) that people abandoned or never bothered with Mastodon, and chose Bluesky instead. e.g. the latter has a “Catch Up” feed, for the most popular posts from the last 24 hours (so full of AOC stuff today:-). I check this occasionally throughout the week now, even without having an account there, to know what’s going on.
But I vastly prefer the (Threadi-)Verse style of Lemmy/Mbin/PieFed. For comments, I love how they are sortable in terms of popularity of reception, rather than having to scroll endlessly through the list until you arbitrarily decide to stop. And for posts, grouped by community, although PieFed offers categories that bridge those together. So if you want News, on X/Bluesky/Mastodon I suppose you’d have to use an appropriate hashtag or follow a news-type account, while on the Verse (especially PieFed’s categories of communities) it’s just all right there together.
This is actually the beauty of the fediverse to me.
Anyone with the know-how (or will to learn) can fork some code and start implementing changes they want from their service. It’s always been one of the biggest draws of *nix for me (and FOSS in general). I love the really granular control of being able to configure pretty much every setting or feature to the users liking.
But do you need an account?
And can it grab content from other instances?
If not, Bluesky will continue to win:-(, but if so, then this should be integrated into the main branch ASAP and the word gotten out, to help keep people fleeing from X but offering a better (FOSS) alternative to Bluesky!:-)
No need for another account, since it’s log in via your Mastodon account.
As I understand it, it’s a more feature-rich alternative frontend (think like Alexandrite/Photon for Lemmy), so it’s grabbing content in the sense that any ActivityPub instance does so. So…Yes? Unless you meant in a different way.
It sounds like “maybe” and “no”.
The Bluesky “Catch Up” feed you can view as a guest, entirely anonymously without needing to createna Bluesky account first. This makes it more like Lemmy or Reddit or Mastodon, and unlike Facebook or X or Ticktock where account creation is mandatory. But if you need a Mastodon account - as your link seems to suggest - then that acts as a barrier to people checking it out prior to deciding whether to join or not, e.g. it doesn’t create a “welcoming” environment.
And Bluesky is centralized, so it doesn’t even need to pull in content from other instances, whereas Mastodon does, and unless someone has done the work for you to subscribe to something (I don’t use Mastodon so I don’t know what this would need to be: a person’s account?), it won’t be on the instance, by design.
In short, the Bluesky “Catch Up” feed just works, instantly, right away, with no extra steps needed, whereas s your link needs creation of an account, which requires first deciding on an instance, and that instance having decided to install that optional software component, and then you have to use the special link to choose that alternative front-end client, and then you need to… on and on it goes, by which point the person has long ago already switched to Bluesky.
I’m not trying to be a dick here, just explaining that there are reasons that people choose to use the products that WORK for them, yes even Reddit, and choose to avoid products that require
installation of Arch Linux btwadditional effort, like Mastodon.I follow where you’re coming from.
I can see the perks to the Bluesky option, but given it’s centralized, venture capital funded (and they’re already trying to figure out monetization), and so forth, I’m personally not inclined to rely on much related to it.
However, I’m very aware of the hurdles the option I shared present to those unfamiliar with all of this, and why they’d choose otherwise. Then again, we’re here using this stuff, I’m posting from a microblogging instance (Sharkey) to you, and so my posts are also indirectly for others on other microblogging instances (like those using Mastodon).
For anyone these replies may reach on a Mastodon instance, using Phanpy is much simpler. It’s just going to Phanpy.social, logging in with their info, and they’re set to use it. Much like someone on Lemmy can go to Phtn.app and give Photon a try.
All that said it would be preferable if there was a guest accessible version to Phanpy (or any similar catch up-style service for fediverse stuff), without a doubt.
I agree. My brief Twitter usage was following bars, restaurants, and music venues to see happy hour specials and upcoming events.
Yeah I never cared for the format either.
It is complicated. I follow almost 500 accounts often producing 50 toots per hour. Nobody should spend that much time to catch up with all. My coping tools are:
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Making lists, including one for important accounts I don’t want to miss. Sadly I cant find a way to get notifications for those.
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Resisting FOMO. Remember, mastodon is people-centric, not topic-centric like Lemmy. I don’t try to use it as news source or catch all hashtags I care of. Just treat it as a space to casually look what people are talking about.
In general I think that backlash against algorithms went the wrong way. We poured the baby with the water. We should have resisted their harmful use, lack of transparency and user control, rather than the very idea. Controlling what content shows up first and setting your priorities is a good thing. Users should have this power, not corporations and not even admins.
In general I think that backlash against algorithms went the wrong way. We poured the baby with the water.
I agree. As long as the microblogging side of the Fediverse has only a chronological feed I can’t see myself engaging with it. Mastodon just demands way too much work from the user for what the payoff is, at least to me.
Definitely agree that the the common-with-Mastodon viewpoint of exclusively using chronological feeds seems to have over-corrected too far. Can you imagine if the threadiverse was sorted that way? It would be insane and essentially unusable at scale - so we can at least acknowledge that sorting algorithms have a useful place and are not some unsalvageable, irredeemable evil. I wish there was something like a bunch of open source algorithms which the user could choose between in whatever UI they’re using. At the very least there should be some acknowledgement that I, the user, don’t have an identical level of interest in every account I follow, or even in every topic which the same account posts about.
And while microblogging platforms seem to have it worst, there have also been times in the threadiverse where I’ve subscribed to a community/magazine only to later unsubscribe because the activity levels it produces in my feed are much higher than my interest levels in it. So even here (where we have sorting by “hot” etc), some kind of user-configurable weighting would be nice to better match how I actually want my feed to work!
edit: typo
Can you imagine if the threadiverse was sorted that way? It would be insane and essentially unusable at scale
On lemmy there is a way to basically do this by toggling the filters at the top of the top of the front page. You can see how this looks form my instance: https://programming.dev/?dataType=Comment&listingType=All&sort=New
I’ve always assumed nobody every uses it like that. I guess if you were bored you might get lucky and see something that interested you, at least if it was limited to Local and you were on a good instance.
It’s technically an option, yeah, but as you said it’s not something practically used as an “everyday” feed-sorting algorithm. It’s not as though it’s a default or suggested sort option - compare that to Mastodon where it’s the only sort option X_X
Great comment, agree!
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Funny, I’ve mostly seen complaints that Mastodon is “empty”.
Some tips:
- Use high-volume hashtags for discovery, not for following.
- Discovery: niched hashtags (e.g. #photography - >#birdphoto)
- Discovery: accounts that use the high-use hashtags. Follow or mute
- mute/filter “spammers” and “spammy” hashtags
- Ditch FOMO, grow your feed slowly.
- Look at boosted accounts from accounts you follow. Maybe they’re interesting for you.
Because some accounts like to spam on certain hashtags, I had the best results with muting an account the second I thought it was annoying. It’s nothing personal, I just don’t want to see their posts on my timeline anymore, which is what mute accomplishes
This is key to a calm timeline on Mastodon (as it was on Twitter): Mute accounts liberally — and mute hashtags as well. There will be a maddening amount of noise, and since there is no algorithm on Mastodon, it’s up to yourself to focus in the important stuff.
Use https://news.feedseer.com/ to summarize your Mastodon feed. Works great.
I never liked Twitter and don’t like Mastodon. It’s just a fundamentally flawed platform. But I’m glad it exists for those people.
People keep giving the advice of following hashtags. That might be good advice for really obscure ones where you’re almost guaranteed to be interested in anything posted, but I think it’s terrible advice generally.
Follow users, and hide their boosts or unfollow them if it turns out they make your feed less interesting.
When I was new to Mastodon, I followed everyone who might maybe have something interesting to say (e.g. open source projects that I’ve never used but found somewhat interesting).
Right now I have 43 tabs open on my phone most of which are links from Mastodon I haven’t yet gotten around to reading… I think you can see why nowadays I tend to unfollow more things than I newly follow.
I don’t think it is that much for me, I kinda like “infinite content” what I don’t like is being bombarded with content that is not in English or Spanish… Which I clearly specified within the Mastodon settings to be my preference… So I spend most of the time navigating through said hashtags feeds blocking users speaking in other languages 😑
It seems that the hashtags feed doesn’t care about language preferences… Or the users posting don’t follow the language rules or whatever.
I use that to my advantage, being bilingual i follow ongoings in my country of origin plus locally where I’m living now.
I am bilingual too, but I don’t understand the other languages that show in my feed but Spanish and English.
I don’t have that issue with Lemmy, everything here is in English, and there used to be some Spanish communities (the instance might have died because it hasn’t showed up in my feed for so long).
It’s probably users not setting their posts’ language properly.
Yeah, and I am the one suffering blocking everyone lol.
I never really liked the microblog ecosystem in general, and some of these terrible design ideas are copied by the Twitter clones, such as how a conversation is presented in a way that is not actually in a chronological order making it hard to tell who is responding to what.
It feels like it wasn’t intended for actual engagement and discussion. It’s made so you can blast your thoughts out into the net and then get the feel good brain chemicals seeing a number next to it go up. We certainly didn’t need an entirely new system for that, since there was already plenty of places to say stupid shit and seek validation.
Yeah, I think I agree with you tbh
I put the noisy stuff in lists that don’t show up in my home feed. That way I can catch up on home, or open a topical feed when I’m looking to scroll more.
This so much. Lists make content filtering so much easier, both foot organizing as well as for filtering.
basically I never follow any feed (be it Mastodon, RSS, Lemmy, newsletters, whatever) that is too high volume. If something is sending too much content I’ll just unsubscribe/unfollow. So for instance Lemmy communities for news are soo overwhelming, I’d rather sign up for a newsletter with a selection of five or so important news for the day.
