Jerkface (any/all)

You could think of it in similar ways. Religion provides morality basically by fiat. Veganism provides morality based in our belief that the experiences of animals are real and matter. I think that is an important distinction, but you may disagree, and it doesn’t do anyone any harm if you do.

shoehorn

He literally used the word “vegan”. You didn’t have to engage with my comment if you found it off-topic, but instead, you have written more words than anyone else in this entire thread. You are displaying so many classic behaviours, like telling vegans how to be vegan, or how to convert someone to veganism when you yourself would not be converted by someone following your advice. You’re aggravated by our existence because you want us to just stop reminding you of something you don’t want to think about.

Your defensive behaviour has all the signs of carnism, the unconscious and evaluated value system that says that it is acceptable or even good to sometimes be cruel and violent towards vulnerable individuals. These unconscious beliefs that govern your allowable behaviour are in direct contradiction with other values you hold more consciously, such as that it is good to be kind and empathetic, especially towards the vulnerable. Holding all those ideas in your head at the same time requires a lot of psychological framework. It’s exhausting maintaining it all.

I answered in the most straightforward way I could think to. I’m sorry.

I’m not sure why you are so adamant about it, but the decisions about what to eat are part of the praxis of veganism, but they are merely consequences of the values of veganism. These values are applied universally, not just to what a vegan eats. I don’t even spend money on movies with animal performers.

You have very strong feelings and opinions about something which you have not researched, have not encountered in life, and have not spent a lot of thought on. Why is that?

“Plant-based” is a term coined by the vegan community. It refers to a diet that (perhaps coincidentally, as in this case) is compatible with vegan values, though that’s not the definition. It does not include eggs, milk, etc.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to leave you all upset for a month. And boy, do you ever appear to be upset at what was intended to be an innocuous comment. I wasn’t trying to insult the farmer’s intelligence. I was expressing that I wouldn’t expect someone with such different interests in life to know anything about what veganism actually is. You have read in a lot to my text. You have some strong feelings. Which is not surprising. These are matters of life and death for billions of individuals a year.

In the early 80s I used to have fantasies about having a foster robot android that my family was teaching how to be a person. Oh the amusing mix-ups we got into! We could just do that. Train on experiential reality instead of on the dim cultural reflection of reality.

Edit: “robot” means “slave”

Oh, BTC.

Neither of them really describe “a” diet. I don’t consume alcohol. Is that a diet? You don’t consume antifreeze, even though it tastes really really good. Is that a diet? “Not consuming animal products” is not a diet.

“Plant-based” is a characteristic of an infinite number of diets or other practices; those that exclude animal products. “Vegan” is a characteristic of a person; one that conducts themselves according to a specific moral perspective on interactions with animals. A diet is vegan iff (ie if and only if) there was a moral question in its practice. It describes the justification, and using it to talk about only the outcome is exactly what I am saying is incorrect.

I don’t expect a dairy farmer to know better, but of course he means “plant-based”, not “vegan”. “Plant-based” is a functional description, while “vegan” is a set of moral values and their ethical consequences. The dairy farmer isn’t saying that everyone has to renounce animal abuse. They are simply saying that it won’t be economical to commit atrocity for money any longer.