A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
this phrasing had to be intentional xD no social media worker can be this clueless
I think the same about the sandwich company that asked people to share how they “top their subs”.
Damn I really missed my opportunity
Microsoft’s Windows chief Pavan Davuluri had earlier hinted at such plans already about how the next evolution of OS will make it capable enough to “semantically understand you” as Windows will get “more ambient, more pervasive, more multi-modal”. Using features like Copilot Vision it will be able to “look at your screen” and do more.
Since when did corpos try to reframe the word “pervasive” as something positive?
If you are evil it is…
At least 30 years.
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
Pretty much since the release of Windows 10, Microsoft has been getting backlash because of the invasive, hostile and insane decisions they make and force on their users. It’s gotten particularly vocal since W11 and the EOL of Windows 10.
Yet, everybody seems to eat the plate of shit MS serves them. They complain, but most people dont seem to want to put in effort to rid themselves of Microsoft.
I could cry.
Windows 11 made me a Linux user. I stopped eating their shit.
Microsoft […] gets massive backlash
“Fine, then we’re going to do it twice as hard and half as good!” -Microsoft
Windows 8.1 made me a Linux user.
Its not even a lot of effort. Ask anyone using Linux and they will be happy to help.
> Ask
And then ask again each and every single time something doesn’t work. Or you need to install something. Something is badly configured.
You need at least medium level tech literacy to deal with Linux. Maaaaybe entry level with Mint and the like, but still, if you get skittish due to console, at which 70% of worlds population at minimum does, Linux ain’t for you.
Windows is successful because it’s easy to understand and holds your hand as much as possible. People who are complaining are quite often folk who are simply forced to use it, most people don’t really see anything wrong, even those using tech more…
There are linux distributions doing all this for you too.
Your grandma does not need the console to open a browser window.
I even mentioned Mint and that it drops problems to lower level, so? My grandma barely grasped the concept of a browser and had problems understanding how to use google.
And sure as hell when she got some custom-software disc from hospital with embedded images from her x-ray or whatever it’s called, I wouldn’t want her to need to also deal with Linux possibly not being able to run it.
And sure as hell when she got some custom-software disc from hospital with embedded images from her x-ray or whatever it’s called, I wouldn’t want her to need to also deal with Linux possibly not being able to run it.
That’s a reasonable fear, but unmerited. Those discs open perfectly on modern Linux.
This is not true. I’ve helped lots of people install Linux on their old laptops, they used them until the hardware stopped working and I rarely if ever got any questions or requests for help.
Because it just worked.
This honestly isn’t my experience.
A couple years ago now, I went to install Windows 10 on a PC. It got partway through the install process, and then failed with an “Error 0x76A421B3E7291A” or something. Completely opaque, like the damn thing spat out a memory pointer as the only clue. Installing Linux Mint on the same machine threw an error, “Unable to complete installation due to BIOS TBS error. Check TBS BIOS settings and try again. For more information, see this wiki page” and it gave a clickable link, because this is running in a live environment and has a functioning copy of Firefox installed, and it gave a QR code so the page could be easily pulled up on a mobile device.
Windows is not inherently more user friendly.
Yeah there’s also the issue of how much time someone has available to spend on their system. In a lot of cases, it simply isn’t a big part of someone’s life and the spend the least amount of time on it. All of a sudden they’re going to spend the time to learn about this new and huge thing and then do it themselves?
Right. That’s why I gave grandma Linux Mint, rather than asking her to learn Windows.
Wao, you’re so full of it. Windows is the one OS that keeps people wondering why shit doesn’t work. You’ve either never installed and used Linux in the last 10 years, or are butthurt that you’ve defended windows for years and now you’re at the end of your rope, as are they.
I think he has a really good point. I consider myself acceptably tech literate, I’m not afraid of the command line even if I don’t really understand how to use it, I’ve built my own computers for years, and I have a pretty custom configuration of Windows.
One thing a windows user can typically be sure of is that if it’s meant to work, it probably will. There is a pretty black and white environment of what’s possible and what isn’t. Linux is very much more “give it a shot” style computing for beginners. It breaks much more easily, it can be very confusing to configure, and it’s just different.
I think if it similarly to cars. Some people, like myself, love driving, enjoy tinkering with the car, maybe drive a standard for they joy of it. But most people just want a car to take them to work and the store. Most people just want a computer to work, either for their job or their hobby, but the hobby isn’t tinkering with software. The fact that even the very packaged and polished distros can require more than basic tech literacy to configure is likely what turns a lot of people away, whether or not that’s actually the case.
And getting snippy saying somebody is butthurt (which is fucking homophobic btw) is absolutely going to keep pushing people away if they think the community is full of holier than thou Linux nerds that don’t understand how to communicate with normal people.
I’m currently experimenting with different distros right now and am having a similar experience to the person you are replying to.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Heh, I’m literally in the same boat as you - testing distros and such. And I studied programming for some time so I have above average tech literacy and yet still I had to spend some time learning how to get old wi-fi on a laptop to work (thankfully well documented), and I still have to tinker with which distro will be best for my hardware as it’s not only kinda old, but also I have nvidia card and some wierd wifi so I am ready for things to be weird.
And I hope I didn’t come off as saying that Linux is some insurmountable wall for everyday folk in original comment but as you pointed out - everyday folk ain’t willing to deal with any problems in the first place.
XKCD comic about specialists expectations towards everyday folk come to mind xD
And getting snippy saying somebody is butthurt (which is fucking homophobic btw)
Hold up, is there an origin to this that I’m not aware of? How on earth is that homophobic ?
Former windows user here, ever since I used Win11 for the first time in 2022 I saw how buggy and useless it was. And it was clear to me that someday win10 will stop receiving updates.
I decided to get onto Linux and I am proud of myself that I tasted nearly all the distributions and tried them all.
Pure arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS, CachyOS, Debian, Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, Zoroin OS, Nix OS, Alpine Linux, OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Kali Linux, Fedora KDE, Fedora Workstation, Fedora KDE Silverblue, etc.
Linux mint, Tuxedo OS, MX Linux, ZoroinOS are the best for new comers from Windows and all are based on Debian.
I actually found pure Debian to be perfect for me as a newcomer a few years back.
That’s awesome! :) Did you land on a favourite for day-to-day stuff? I had the exact same pipeline - windows 11 was announced, and Mint went on days later! :) I love Kubuntu at the moment, and tried PopOS as well. :)
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there’s another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
Legitimately. Fedora Bluefin here. Giving the atomic thing a try 😁
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
The ol’ switcherooski. Abruptly end support for your previous product, force people to buy all new hardware, then when everybody is on board you hit em with consumer-hostile monetization attempts. Classic Microsoft baby.
We’re about to get that subscription model! Probably gonna be Adobe flavored. Steam Machine launching just in time.
Can the AI Shit be disabled?
“Maybe Later”
~Until next update.~
Well, maybe later I’ll try your shitty OS?
I can’t shake the feeling that Win11 is part of the AI grift master-plan. They’re a big investor in OpenAI, and OpenAI needs to start showing large, genuine revenue. Locking both consumers and business customers into a subscription model for the largest OS by market share to fund this grift seems like exactly such collusion. The required minimum hardware requirements for Win11 feel like the big clue, here.
As far as I can tell, AI almost always makes a call to a remote server. So why do you need a powerful PC for that? You could do that on a 20 year old computer easily.
I tried AI on my MacBook to ask it how to fix my config. It just did an internet search and didn’t even check the setting on my computer.
See, now that they’ve strongarmed everyone into using their new shitty OS and no longer using the old kind of okay one, they can change it however they want and all their users are stuck with it!
(Excuse me while i cackle madly in linux)
Funny how we’ve forgotten already the rage and backlash from users when it was revealed you could never completely disable telemetry in windows 10.
Now the general attitude is ‘well, it’s not as bad as 11.’
For the better part of a decade I used windows only for gaming, and now I’ve dropped it for that too.
I’m not sure why some people still refuse to consider using an alternative to windows these days.Gaming on Linux has gotten really good thanks to proton. Never look back!
Sadly I’ve got too many programs that don’t work on linux, or don’t work well. And an old synthesizer that I can’t imagine would work on linux unless I made a driver for it myself, and that’s a bit beyond me.
I’m not sure why some people still refuse to consider using an alternative to windows these days.
- Adobe programs
- some online games
- not having to fuck around in CLI if I want to change obscure settings (e.g. regedit or group policies)
Those are the main points that keep me from switching.
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Winboat or Winapps - Both will let you use Adobe programs in linux pretty well with a sandboxed vm. Getting better every day. That is assuming you can’t get done what you need on Open Source software alternatives - some are really good, others are a bit of a let down.
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If you are fully on board with Kernal Anti-Cheat, then you have already given up on actually owning and controlling your PC. That said, there has been talk recently by windows about kicking 3rd parties out of the Kernal, so KAC might actually die soon (we can only pray).
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I’d be curious to know what you are regularly using regedit and group policies to change. For a start, I bet a lot of it can be changed in the settings GUI or aren’t problems that need changing to start with in Linux. Secondly, I think learning CLI is significantly easier than learning regedit - the navigation at least is a lot simpler imo. Unless you are just running .reg files you find on the floor of the internet, if you learned to use regedit you can definitely learn the Linux CLI (as much as you’ll need to in order to do what you want).
Just saying, it is constantly evolving and most of the road blocks are out-dated or hinge on reliance on some other big tech company besides microsoft that is just as far down the enshittification rabbit-hole. It is not a decision you made once and have to keep living with. None of us swore a life-debt to our “team”. :)
- Thanks, I’ll check Winboat and Winapps out! My existing info came from the WineHQ website, and InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop were all reported as various levels of broken. And yes, sadly the FLOSS alternatives don’t meet my needs, I did quite a bit of research on this a few months ago.
Edit: From a quick search it seems that Winboat and Winapps have the same issue as other virtual machines, namely that you can’t really give them access to the GPU if you only have one. And graphics programs need that GPU access. - I guess some of it is habit, kernel-level anti-cheat has been a thing as long as I’ve been gaming, so it feels “normal” :| But I’m looking forward to the day when my favourite games won’t use it!
- Not using it regularly, but when I do need it, I extremely strongly prefer GUIs to CLI. I’m just a visual person, so it feels important to be able to navigate in a visible interface and see “where I am” and what my actions are affecting. With CLI I find it quite stressful to e.g. have to memorise modifier letters, instead of just clicking a checkbox. I’ve seen screenshots of people doing everything (including PKM) in CLI and it honestly baffles me how they can feel comfortable with it.
Just saying, it is constantly evolving and most of the road blocks are out-dated or hinge on reliance on some other big tech company besides microsoft that is just as far down the enshittification rabbit-hole. It is not a decision you made once and have to keep living with. None of us swore a life-debt to our “team”. :)
Of course! Make no mistake, I feel no affection towards any corporation, their main goal is to bleed us dry for their shareholders. But giving up my fully featured software and favourite games to follow my FLOSS ideals does not seem to quite balance the scales for me yet.
Though disclaimer: if I wasn’t doing piracy, but actually had to pay for Microsoft and Adobe’s rent-seeking, and be subject to all their bullshit restrictions, I would probably have jumped ship years ago. Enterprise group policies can remove a lot of user-hostile crap from Windows.
Winboat is apparently working on and close to “hardware accelerated graphics”. I haven’t tried Photoshop with it, as I never learned Photoshop, but it is one of the flagship programs they claim works well by default. It likely won’t get to the point of being an option for gaming (KAC wouldn’t work anyway as they all flag VMs, so that feels like a moot point) without setting up GPU pass-through, but I can’t imagine those programs need full bare-metal access to a GPU to work well?
Worth keeping an eye on anyway :)
- Thanks, I’ll check Winboat and Winapps out! My existing info came from the WineHQ website, and InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop were all reported as various levels of broken. And yes, sadly the FLOSS alternatives don’t meet my needs, I did quite a bit of research on this a few months ago.
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It’s certainly just going to end up being used as an advertising tool. Like the recent hype of trying to get people let AI do holiday shopping for them. Like the AI saw you opened paint, have you considered a subscription for Adobe cloud. You searched for cake recipes on Google and clicked links, why not sub to copilot+. It’ll have text to speech AI as well
Iam even more happy to be using Linux 😎
Yeah the ones who went that path now can be super happy about it. We have the best desktop in the world.
Maybe stick to AM4 and processors for now that don’t have AI feature? I have AM4, it works perfect and I haven’t had to upgrade yet. I think there would be a way to disable all of the AI, like with app OOSU10 or tron. Second option would be to install Linux OS and use Wine for any Windows app and for anything buggy that wouldn’t work well, using a vm for it.
Speaking of, there’s VPNs or you could use PIHole to block Microsoft’s telemetry and AI ips.
Speaking of, there’s VPNs or you could use PIHole to block Microsoft’s telemetry and AI ips.
That game of cat and mouse would get very tiresome very fast and Microsoft would win in the end. Better to hope for new vwrsions of Tiny11 or one of those debloater scripts to disable the AI features entirely, but they’d probably be reinstated with every update. Maybe use a hook to re-run the script after every update? I don’t even know if that’s possible in Windows.
Thankfully I’ve been Microsoft free for years now so I don’t have to know. Linux is a blessing.
There must be some unaccounted for survivorship bias in the data for the MS to get it this wrong. Not even about agenda just PR they are operating on bad assumptions which is just bad for business.
Well yes, that data source is called stockholders. They eed to ride the hype. Honestly they really don’t have much choice. Either make the users happy or the stockholders. They can’t do both, it’s impossible at this stage. Want to guess which side wins?
That doesn’t make sense it’s just mindless anti capitalist sentiment which is fun and all but it isn’t getting us anywhere.
I wonder if they’re asking their AI.
What? Nobody wants it? Let’s rush it out to users then. — Microsoft
